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Our Recent Issues with Coinbase

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After about 3 ½ years of relative harmony, once again, Coinbase’s lack of concern with developing a strong, effective customer service department has led to unnecessary challenges for PROHASHING.

Our last conflict with Coinbase took place in Fall of 2018 when their API, which PROHASHING had been successfully using to conduct business for 4 years, suddenly ceased to function as expected. Due to unresponsive customer service, that issue took about a month and a half to resolve.

Now, we find ourselves in a similar situation. On March 16, 2022, Coinbase began placing a 72 hour hold on payments made from PROHASHING to PROHASHING miners. Chris contacted Coinbase’s customer support on March 19. The first responses were sent to Chris that day but in the form of automated replies, as shown below:

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Coinbase email 2

Chris received another form reply on March 20 requesting more details, as seen below:

Coinbase email 3

He responded that same day with the requested information and then heard nothing else back from customer support on this issue.

At this point, the problem continued and worsened. The number of customers affected by the holds increased to the point that it now appears to encompass most PROHASHING miners receiving payouts through Coinbase.

After receiving no communication from Coinbase about any attempts to resolve this issue, Chris contacted Coinbase again on March 28th. He tried a different tactic and asked whether his ID was somehow invalid rather than asking again why withdrawals were delayed. The first response that day was as follows:

Coinbase email 4

The second response arrived the following day, March 29th, and read as follows:

Coinbase email 5

This response is perplexing, as a reasonable person would not expect a payment from a business to come directly from the business’s CEO. Changing the display name would show the transactions as coming directly from Christopher Sokolowski rather than from PROHASHING as a company, which is inaccurate. Again, for the last 3 ½ years, PROHASHING has been using this configuration with no issues. Chris replied asking for Coinbase to find a way to fix or work around this issue and has not yet received a reply as of March 30th.

Also on March 29th, a customer took to Twitter to publicly ask @CoinbaseSupport why direct payments from other Coinbase customers are being delayed up to 72 hours as well as to seek clarification on why the “Delayed until” date displays code, rather than an actual date. The question was met with yet another Coinbase Support form response, linking to the same “Why is my cryptocurrency send delayed” article that has been sent out repeatedly to each of the customers experiencing these delays as well, which asks the recipient of the payout to reverify their ID as was requested of Chris. If the purpose of Chris reverifying his ID as the sender is to confirm that we, indeed, meant to initiate the transaction to this individual, why would the reverification of the recipient’s ID also unlock the transaction?

The customer tagged us and commented, “it seems #Coinbase thinks you didn’t send all these thousands of transactions each day.” I replied with the following:

PROHASHING Twitter Post

He answered that, while we await a resolution, he will be switching to another wallet. This is proof that Coinbase's inaction is costing them customers, even if only temporarily.

In the absence of a resolution from Coinbase, Steven, the senior engineer in charge of the PROHASHING trader, tried changing our display name to Chris’s full name as a test of whether this would, in fact, fix the problem. We received some reports that some payments did go through that day with a person’s full name on it instead of PROHASHING, but this did not work on all transactions sent by PROHASHING that day, so even if this were an acceptable solution, it is not a comprehensive solution.

At this point, Coinbase’s inaction is not only impacting PROHASHING, as a business, but it is also inconveniencing thousands of PROHASHING miners, who are using direct-to-Coinbase payouts for the convenience of those payments being nearly instantaneous, as should be the case. In addition to, again, failing to maintain the promised functionality of their API, Coinbase is displaying a strong level of indifference by also failing to keep in contact with PROHASHING with any assurance that the problem is being investigated. Coinbase, as a company, has developed a reputation for automated and form responses to support requests and inaction regarding the issues addressed in the inquiries.

PROHASHING, as a Coinbase customer, and by extension, PROHASHING’s customers, account for thousands of Coinbase transactions per day. Essentially, this means that what matters to us needs to matter to them.

UPDATE: We are also now hearing that customers are being shown a button to "Cancel payment" from us. Please do not click this. Your payment will eventually come through at the end of the 72 hour delay. We did have one report that someone tried clicking on it, and it didn't appear to do anything, The screen still read, "pending until '{date} at {time}'", so there are clearly more bugs that Coinbase needs to look into. If you are experiencing these things, please contact Coinbase's customer support.

Sarah Manter Author

Sarah Manter, Director of Communications at PROHASHING, has her MA in Secondary English Teaching and a Certificate in full-stack web development. She is now relishing the opportunity to learn as much as possible about cryptocurrency mining and pass along that knowledge to the cryptocommunity. She can be reached at help@prohashing.com.

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bdm8181
I received some what of a response Thanks for contacting us about your recent transaction. I can help you with trying to locate these funds. From reviewing the information provided, it looks like we are missing the most vital part to view transactions on the blockchain, this is your transaction hash URL. Please note, our system is unable to process screenshots of the transaction so be sure to copy and paste the transaction hash URL in text form. Depending on the type of cryptocurrency that was sent, you can find the transaction hash URL by searching the address on a block explorer. Here's some example block explorers you can use to find your hash: - BTC: https://www.blockchain.com - ETH: https://etherscan.io If your transaction shows as complete on the block explorer, that means the funds have arrived at the intended destination. If your transaction does not have a transaction hash, the transaction may not have been sent successfully on the network. Therefore the funds will not have been delivered to the intended recipient. If you are unable to find the transaction hash, I would recommend reaching out to the person or service that sent the transaction and they should be able to assist you. For more information, you can review the following article in our Help Center that explains transaction hashes: https://help.coinbase.com/en/coinbase/g ... sh-hash-id Please get back in touch if you have any other questions or concerns that we can help you with. Regards,
Forum Commenter
I don't agree with Coinbase's 3 day hold on my Prohashing deposits, but I accept it for the convenience of having my miners' earnings go directly to Coinbase without any additional transaction fees. It would also take far longer than 3 days for me to hit Prohashing's free deposit threshold in the coins I mine. In the Coinbase User Agreement that I read this morning - https://www.coinbase.com/legal/user_agr ... ted_states - it specifically states that digital asset transfers will be held in a pending status until transactions are finalized (Section 4.2), and that email transfers between Coinbase customers will be returned to the sender if Coinbase is unable to complete after 30 days (Section 4.5). Forum user: UbjfP2ZOJa
bdm8181
any chance you could post the link to where you found that? im having a heck of a time tying to find it, i get lost easily in coinbases pourly designed website
bdm8181
I did some reading and asked my wife alot of questions (shes lets just say has very indept knowledge onthese types of situations) this is in their user agreement section "" 4. E-MONEY SERVICES 4.1 Loading. You can load funds into your E-Money Wallet using bank transfer (or other payment methods available on the Site for your location), and your E-Money Wallet will show loaded funds once we have received them. Loading of funds may be done manually, or as part of a recurring transaction that you set up on your Coinbase Account (see Section 5.12 below for more details). You may only load your own funds, from your own account, and not from any joint, pooled or third party account. When funds are loaded into the E-Money Wallet you will be issued with E-Money by Coinbase Payments that represents the funds you have loaded. The E-Money Wallet is not a deposit or investment account which means that your E-Money will not be protected by the Financial Services Compensation Scheme. Coinbase Payments will only hold funds received from users in a designated safekeeping account with a regulated financial institution. E-Money held in an E-Money Wallet will not earn any interest. Your E-Money Wallet may hold E-Money denominated in different currencies and we will show the E-Money balance for each currency that you hold. 4.2 Purchase or Sale of Digital Currency. You may purchase supported Digital Currency by using E-Money credited to your E-Money Wallet. To carry out a Digital Currency Transaction using E-Money, you must follow the relevant instructions on the Site. A Digital Currency Transaction using E-Money should normally be settled no later than one business day after we receive your instructions. You authorise us to debit E-Money from your E-Money Wallet. Although we will attempt to deliver Digital Currency to you as promptly as possible, E-Money may be debited from your E-Money Wallet before Digital Currency is delivered to your Digital Currency Wallet." Without literally having a appointent 3rd party audit which they do discuss in their agreement that the above basically say since we, MYSELF isnt depositing the mined/claimed coins that they can refuse transaction and keep the earnings... maybe i havent read enough but after a good nights rest im opting out of coinbase, i have invested my own personal funds with them as well over and above the mining, im using this is anform of interest gain in the long run, i did alot of resaerch and by using the prohashing pay out to coinbase allowed me to avoid 3 additional transaction fees, unfortanatly have to plan another route
smyers63
For the first time, this week a cash withdrawal from Coinbase has still not hit my bank after 6 days. Previous withdrawals have only taken 1-2 days. I complained to them yesterday and got what looked like automated replies very quickly. The last of those wanted me to submit proof that the money hadn't reached my bank yet, so I submitted a screenshot of an online banking session showing transactions between just before my withdrawal request and yesterday. I even included a previous Coinbase transaction in the shot to help prove the case. At the same time, I also submitted a screenshot of their status page for the current transaction which shows it as "pending" instead of "complete." It's been almost another 24 hours with no reply and the status of those uploads is "waiting for pickup." A few minutes ago, I sent a reply to the support ticket emails saying I now know they're also holding Coinbase payouts (a new one of mine is being held) and that I think it's time to bring in a federal oversight agency to "help" them. I've used this agency for problems with other companies quite successfully: Consumer Financial Protection Bureau - https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ Everyone having trouble with Coinbase should submit a complaint to CFPB immediately. Prohashing should submit a complaint, too. I've stopped using Coinbase for the meantime and probably won't use them again. Saving 1-2 percent but having to wait a week or more for a payout (or to never get a payout) isn't part of my plan to make money. I've switched back to Kraken and Gemini where I've never had problems like these. Those two have better staking options, too.
bdm8181
Havent had s single issue with payouts, i usally set pay out the free then let the coins build up and change the payout to direct to coinbase, also nice seeing several large payouts then daily
TechElucidation
Are your payments actually available to you on the day? The issue I, and I think other have, is that you get the notification that you received a payment but it is not released so that you can trade/sell/send it. For example, with BTC so high, I switched my payouts to USDC. Going to CoinBase now and opening my USDC wallet the balance is $0.01, but has four days of payouts. Apr 02 - Received USD Coin +10.3897 Apr 01 - Received USD Coin + 10.3807 Mar 31 - Received USD Coin + 7.4806 Mar 30 - Received USD Coin + 1.4358 (when I switched) So my balance is $0, but have received over $29 that is not available to me to do anything with yet. If I click on the payments in Coinbase it shows "Delayed until {date} at {time}" for ones that are not available to me. On the BTC side, the Mar 30 payment (the day I switched) it is also just "Received Bitcoin" with the same "Delayed until {date} at {time}", but the one for the day before on Mar 29 now has the ProHashing logo, and under the "Received Bitcoin" it now also says "Completed", and that amount I do have available in my wallet.
Sarah Manter
Update: We have received no further communication from Coinbase on this matter as of the morning of 4/1/22.
Soggydan
I have had the automated emails back from them. Even after i sent a detailed email explaining the issue they sent me a scripted email saying i have to be veryified and wait the 72hours, even though i am verifiyed and its been over 72hours Its like they didnt even read the email and just randomly replied with a template to meet there SLA, shocking
Sarah Manter
That's essentially what we're experiencing. Chris received no response after he asked for a resolution to the issue of the title not matching the ID. We would be happy to even have some sort of reply that they're at least working on the problem.
Soggydan
2 payments are showing canceled on the coinbase portal. where have they now gone, have they been returned to Prohashing? can you check? 28/03/2022 Ethereum logo Ethereum 0.01305339 ETH 22964a0d-f3f6-562a-9db3-b3ac303129b1 26/03/2022 Ethereum logo Ethereum 0.00636021 ETH 782759a2-75ca-5683-896a-8a1178c023dd other payments finaly arrived to coin base. what are the next steps?
Sarah Manter
Can you please put this information in a support ticket? Go to prohashing.com/about and use the website chat method so that it will be authenticated.
bdm8181
Hey so after seeing this reply, my coinbase accounts are doing the same, i was always going through the app or mobile website, i was traveling, since ive gone on through my desktop i can see the issue now, it shows a notification but doesnt reflect in the account ive set it up so i was getting payed out in a coin i havent used its been 4 days and actual $ amount reflects in my account, i did a traceroute and i my sent data is not getting through at its destination.... what should we do? Also from what i can tell there is no information on the payouts, in theory wouldnt that mean the payouts never occured?
TechElucidation
Hello, I had switched payout coins a few days back, and so I had a smallish ($1.43) USDC payment from ProHashing that was still pending until "{date} at {time}". Anyways, I decided to see what would happen if I clicked "Cancel payment" on that one, and the button went grey, then it went back to red, and that was it. Nothing else. I went out, checked my wallet again, and it was still there. Unless there is a longer lag time between pressing it and something happening, it seems to have done nothing - yet another CoinBase bug. Anyways, I just wanted to add this here, in case somebody else wondering about it.
Soggydan
My Transactions from the 26th and 27th are now showing "canceled" where have they gone? are they returning to Prohashing? I tried loggin a ticket to coinbase but i cant as i dont have visability of your "Direct-To-Coinbase Payouts" they need a ETH address and TX hash, please advise
Sarah Manter
Just so I know I have all the information, is there any possibility you could have clicked on "Cancel payment" as the poster below yours mentioned was possible, whether intentional or accidental?
Steve Sokolowski
Coinbase payouts are issued from one Coinbase account to another, so there is no transaction hash available. If they are asking for a transaction hash, then Coinbase's support misunderstood your question and you should clarify to them that you are asking about a Coinbase-to-Coinbase payout.
Soggydan
Issue is, you cant log a ticket with out the hash value. Iam using the ticketing system on coinbase portal but i guess i could try the chat channel where are my ETH then if coinbase cancel the transaction?
Sarah Manter
Definitely try contacting Coinbase through their chat channel. Please let us know if they respond and what they say.
efrenkov
hello, I tell you my case with COINBASE, for me they are scammers, they are not trustworthy. I started mining with them and as soon as I had money deposited the problems began, all of a sudden it appeared to me that they had put my account in "review" and it was like that for months and my money was blocked, I couldn't sell, trade, nothing at all , THAT IF I BUY IF I COULD. Their customer service as they say here is miserable and it is a real problem that they answer. Finally I filed complaints on REDiTT, even threatening that if my account was not unlocked in two days, I would report it to the computer crime police for theft of my funds and with everything that harmed me by having the account under review, when it had already passed the verification initial of the bank account and of my identity document. The next day they unlocked me, I took out all the money and never again Coinbase. Never
Soggydan
Any further update please, none of my payments have been processes by coinbase since 26th, i can see them all on the dashboard in pending
Sarah Manter
This blog post was posted just yesterday evening with all available information to date. All I can suggest is that you also contact Coinbase's customer support if you haven't already. Unfortunately, those customers who have contacted support so far have received only form emails/automated replies. Hopefully, if they receive enough support requests, they will rectify the situation soon or at least give us an update as to when we can expect a resolution.
TechElucidation
Would it be right to assume that ProHashing was looking around for alternatives? I have found so many things inconsistent with CoinBase. I made two BTC purchases, about 20 minutes apart, and one was held for 7 days, the other for 10 days. The payouts still show "Delayed until {date} at {time}", and an option to "Cancel payment", so clearly buggy. With all these issues and delays, the CoinBase payout option is becoming irrelevant.
Sarah Manter
At the moment we’re still hoping we can resolve this because of the coins that are currently only available for payouts at PROHASHING through the direct-to-Coinbase payouts because they’re supposed to eliminate the network transaction fees, cutting out the wait time to save up enough to meet payout thresholds, and making the whole process quicker. However, as you said, these holds are making the process more cumbersome than it’s supposed to be, eliminating some of the convenience.
Steve Sokolowski
I'm curious to learn more about the perception about the delays. As far as I'm aware, there has never been a case where a customer did not receive his or her money after 3 days at Coinbase, so no money has ever been lost. Because most customers affected by the issue have been mining for a long time, the proportion of money affected by the problem is minimal. For a customer who has been mining with the same hashrate for 3 months, the extra 2 days required for a Coinbase payout to confirm means that only 0.66% of his or her money is ever caught up in this delay at any one time. I want to learn more about the use case for Coinbase payouts. When I implemented and advertised Coinbase payouts 6 years ago, it was solely because we needed a way to reduce on-chain transaction fees. Because the transaction fees would mathematically be higher than the 0.66% delayed payouts (and the delayed payouts aren't actually lost like the transaction fees), that implies to me that most people don't really care about the cost of transaction fees. Is it accurate that customers would be willing to pay high fees - about 5% of payouts - to receive money seconds after midnight? If so, that can be a new feature.
sonicrules
I mine with a single gpu so I can't afford to pay 5% extra. If I could, I wouldn't be using coinbase as my payout option.
TechElucidation
Hi Steve, I wouldn't want to pay an additional 5% for a faster payout, as I don't have an issue waiting for the payment to go through. My point was more that one of the advantages of using Coinbase was that it was quick payouts, and if Coinbase can't provide that, then the selling point of using them is reduced. My overall preference is on reliability, and lower transaction costs over speed. If Coinbase continues to be the lower cost option, then yes I would continue to use them. However, I also worry that Coinbase is going to get worse. The reliability of the payments is concerning to me. The incorrect message on the payment for example, and the fact I can 'Cancel payment', when I am actually receiving not sending, which could lead to confusion for users and potentially loss of payouts.
Forum Commenter
I have Polygon as my payout coin, and the $5000 threshold for payment is a little beyond my desired timeframe to see the coins. I have purchased Polygon in Coinbase, so the option to be paid there - daily - was (and still is) a no-brainer. I'm not mining for income today, I'm mining for coins that will, hopefully, greatly appreciate in value and that only really cost me the $0.50 - 0.60 electricity used daily to mine them. 5% wouldn't break me, and if the holds continue without some reasonable explanation from Coinbase I would choose that option, but I do like free. Forum user: UbjfP2ZOJa
Forum Commenter
I don’t have any evidence to support this, but I still believe it to be a case of them having our deposits in their sole control for an extra 3 days. Staking? Loaning? In the end, it doesn’t matter why. I never got any response beyond the automated ‘thanks for your question’. For now, I’m going to uncheck the Coinbase option and see if this gets sorted. My payout coin has a pretty high threshold, so they can do without my funds for a while. Thanks for going the extra mile reverifying every day, Chris. It seems a stupid way for Coinbase to do business, and a really stupid thing for you to have to do in addition to your normal duties. Ken Forum User: UbjfP2ZOJa
Sarah Manter
The most unfortunate part about that is that Chris was under the impression that reverifying would release all of the transactions for the day, but he discovered it wasn’t doing that. They wanted him to reverify his ID fore each and every one of the thousands of transactions being sent by PROHASHING each day. So the reverifications he had been doing were only releasing one transaction each afternoon.
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