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A secret of mining: People won't take their money

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Every day, it seems that there is another security breach at an exchange or wallet service. Some estimates suggest that criminals have stolen over a billion dollars from exchanges, so it's easy to think that people will take whatever money they can. Thus, you might be surprised to learn that I've recently been working to solve the opposite problem: getting rid of money that we owe.

Here's a secret about mining pools: one would be surprised how many people don't care about claiming their free money. I recently sent 1400 litecoins from our hot wallets to a paper wallet (https://prohashing.com/explorer/Litecoi ... EpKLZ8eNQX) because the amount of money being stored online was starting to get dangerously high. Those litecoins only represent a fraction of the unclaimed money. Even though the money is now safe from hackers, I decided to perform an analysis to figure out if we can reduce the issue and was amazed by the scale of the problem.

There appear to be two major causes for this unclaimed money: missing payout addresses and invalid 1099-MISC/W8-BEN data. There is a third category of "forced payouts," where the customer did not want to take payment but where we were able to pay him or her anyway.


Missing payout addresses

Missing payout addresses account for $51,678.20 of the total balances that are currently unclaimed. Of the customers in this category;

  • There are 12,178 total customers who are owed a non-dust balance in at least one coin and who have not entered a payout address. Dust is defined as a balance lower than the transaction fee the pool paid for yesterday's payout in the coin, divided by the number of users paid in that coin.
  • There are 1,158 customers who are owed at least $1 who have not entered a payout address.
  • There are 71 customers who are owed at least $100 who have not entered a payout address.
  • There are 6 customers who are owed at least $1000 who have not entered a payout address.
  • One customer is owed $8,973 and has not entered a payout address.

The research revealed that many customers who have accumulated large balances signed up between 2 and 4 weeks ago, indicating that there are some people violating our terms of service purposely trying to use the site as a bank. These customers appear unwilling, or unable, to generate a wallet of their own and apparently trust us to safeguard their money for them, despite the large warnings indicating that our zero-liability policy in the event of hacking is in effect for all accounts that do not have payout addresses entered.


Invalid 1099-MISC and W8-BEN data

The second major cause of unpaid money is missing or invalid 1099-MISC or W8-BEN data. Because we issue payouts to customers in return for their hashrate, Federal law mandates that we collect this data. Fortunately, since we aren't a money transmitting business, the data we need to collect is minimal compared to that usually required by exchanges. For 1099-MISC forms, there are only seven fields, and for W8-BEN data, we are only required to store it offline, not actually file it with anyone. In fact, a major issue we face is people who send us unwanted identity documents, like driver's licenses and passports. We aren't required to collect these and need to expend resources to search for and delete them so that they are not copied if a security breach were to ever happen.

Note that customers are only required by law to provide the information if the next payout will cause them to exceed $600 in payouts for 2018, so all of the customers listed have been paid $600 and now have additional unpaid balances.

  • 2,544 customers who have non-dust balances still decline to provide this basic information.
  • 1,726 customers who have balances greater than $1 in at least one coin failed to enter their information.
  • 295 customers who have balances greater than $100 have failed to enter this information.
  • 27 customers who have balances greater than $1,000 have failed to enter the information.
  • One customer can claim $9,100 if (s)he enters the information.

The total amount of money that is waiting to be paid to customers who have not completed these forms is $224,046!


Forced payouts

The final category of customers who weren't interested in being paid was "forced payouts." These are customers who disappeared from the site without requesting payout, or who stopped mining a coin and did not request payout after 90 days.

  • There were 13,370 forced payouts. All forced payouts are non-dust, because they would not be paid otherwise.
  • 4,486 force payouts of greater than $1 were issued.
  • 60 force payouts of greater than $100 were issued.
  • One customer had a balance of $1,068 before the payout was forced.

The total amount paid through forced payouts this year has been $53,992.87.



Since the first two categories overlap, the total amount of money owed to customers who refuse payouts is over $261,000. Over the past few days, we moved 13 bitcoins, 1400 litecoins, 9 bitcoin cash, and a number of other coins to paper wallets because history suggests that much of this money will probably never be claimed. If we include forced payouts in the totals, the total amount that customers are or were not interested in being paid exceeds $315,000.

All of the statistics discussed cover the period from January to October. With total revenue of $54,630,722.48 during that period, about 0.57% of everything was earned during that period cannot be paid or was paid against the customer's wishes because of paperwork issues, because (s)he never entered an address where we can pay him or her, or because (s)he simply didn't care enough to change his or her payout threshold to zero.

As you can see, regardless of how difficult it may seem for you or me to understand why customers would ignore so much value, a large amount of money from mining is never claimed. If a mining pool adopted different reimbursement policies than ours, I suspect that a significant revenue stream could result from this unwanted money. In a future post, I'll discuss some other statistics that enable less transparent pools to pocket additional revenue than seems apparent from their websites.

Steve Sokolowski Author

Steve Sokolowski is a longtime miner, cryptocurrency believer, interest platform depositor, and PROHASHING owner. He can be contacted at help@prohashing.com.

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Forum Commenter
So store more info for each person/account that isn't needed? Allow them to come back and mine to an invalid address and use the pool as a bank? I have no issues other than when I forfeit litecoincash I seem to get an error toss saying I am not allowed to delete litecoins...even though its litecoinCASH that I am attempting to delete. Forum User: CSZiggy
Steve Sokolowski
This is a known issue and Constance is working on it right now. We hope to have a resolution within the day.
Forum Commenter
Issue has been resolved. I was able to now forfeit the coins, including litecoincash. Didn't throw any errors and allowed the coin to be removed. Thank you for the fix! Forum User: CSZiggy
dnprod
in the past i noticed when i forfeited small coin balances it also blew away the wallet address i had on file for that coin. you may want to hang onto wallet addresses once you get them....
Slurms
Can you not add a "If coins are not claimed within 12 months, they are forfeit" clause to your TOS? I remember receiving an email from some place I mined right when BTC started WAY WAY back when. It was a non-dust amount, but still not more than say $20-$30 worth. I received that email after several YEARS of not taking payment, and it stated if you do not submit a new address within 30 days, they are confiscated. Which I thought was fair.
Forum Commenter
From what you've said, this sounds like a very complex issue that's going to require significant investigation. Since it's specific to your account or to only a few accounts, let's continue this issue in a support ticket, where we can share screenshots and discuss private information about your account. Forum User: CSZiggy
JAMH2018
I've got a few low value and dust balances of coins that I can't find a wallet for or an exchange to deposit to. Much of the time, it's as these crappy coins have since been delisted... eg Batcoin, removed from cryptopia this week (NOT basic attention token) I'd be happy to convert them to a dollar balance or another coin that could payout - much like Binance sweep for BNB (maybe a PH token :D) . But I figure - if there are no exchanges trading them, they are most likely dead projects. I think you have done the right thing securing these funds in cold storage (despite not wanting to act as a bank), you never know when someone could make a valid claim or provide the info to lift payment restrictions.
dnprod
even though you are still holding their money, you should set their visible payout balances to zero for the larger ones. perhaps some will notice and panic at the apparent loss and contact you.
Steve Sokolowski
If balances were set to zero, I think that many people would simply forget that they were ever owed the money.
GregoryGHarding
should be dispersed across all active miners with valid payout addresses and forms, after a set amount of time passes, as we are a pool, we have put in our work to make those dollars, and if someone refuses their share, it should go back to the dispersion pool.
hobospices
Hypothetically. How long would you leave all this in paper wallets? If a time came to make use of all these unclaimed funds how would you use them?
Steve Sokolowski
I don't know what the law states about whether this money can ever be used at all. My guess is that the bankruptcy attorneys will deal with it, if we ever go bankrupt. Otherwise, it will probably just need to stay in the wallets unless I learn otherwise.
Forum Commenter
Missing payout addresses I am owed 14 coins and change across 4 dead/obsolete coins. Because these coins no longer appear on any exchange, I am unable to supply an address. If I could find a dead wallet address, I could enter it for those coins and then donate or purge them. System still needs a parameter where the wallet address could be entered as a Zero (0) and then prompt if you would like to delete the coin/purge it/donate the remainder balance. And set the system for any coin that doesnt have a non-zero wallet address to not be allowed to mine into that coin. Forum User: CSZiggy
Steve Sokolowski
It's not necessary to enter a payout address to delete or forfeit a coin. That issue was resolved. However, it is necessary that all entered addresses are valid, so you'll have to forfeit all the coins you don't want to save. Let me know if there is still a problem so that it can be investigated if necessary.
Forum Commenter
Could you run me through the process?? I have AIRCOIN and KITTEHCOINS. How do I go about forfeiting those balances? If the first step is to select the coin I want to forfeit from the dropdown....These delisted coins are NOT on the dropdowns. They show up in the Live Balance page, but no where else on the pool that I can see or access. There is no wallet listing for these coins, and no way to add the coins to see a wallet to click on forfeit. If there was a new way implemented to be able to forfeit coins that have become delisted, please kindly share the procedure with us. Forum User: CSZiggy
Steve Sokolowski
Chris resolved this issue last night. Now, coins that have balances are added to the "payout addresses" section of the screen. They can be forfeit like any other coin.
Forum Commenter
Logged out, logged back in. Used a different browser. Restarted my PC. Still the delisted coins I have balances for, do NOT show up anyplace other than EARNINGS page. Did Chris set this up for coins going forward only? what about previous coins, delisted coins? Negative balance coins? I have 1 coin that I have earned (-.0000000001) coins for. I guess somehow was overpaid and now I owe 1/millionth of a coin that is delisted and no longer mined or even existing. Maybe that one gets to stick around, not sure how it would ever get paid off on a coin that no longer exists, but the other positive balanced coins that don't exist, those balances could all dissapear. Not listed at all on SETTINGS page under PAYOUT ADDRESS section or anyplace else on that page. Still have coins I would like to forfeit, guessing some others do also. Still need a way to be able to forfeit a coin from the EARNINGS page. Each coin listed on EARNINGS should have a forfeit button that links back to its coin for that balance so it can be deleted after 2X verification just like on the settings page when you forfeit. You have to confirm so you don't do it on accident. Forum User: CSZiggy
Steve Sokolowski
From what you've said, this sounds like a very complex issue that's going to require significant investigation. Since it's specific to your account or to only a few accounts, let's continue this issue in a support ticket, where we can share screenshots and discuss private information about your account.
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