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The effects of the Segwit2x cancellation

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Bitcoin was dealt a massive blow yesterday with the cancellation of Segwit2x, and I thought that today might be a good day to share a few ideas.

First, a few days ago I mentioned that the prediction markets for "Segwit2x futures" were rigged to show a lower probability of the chain becoming dominant than actually existed, and that the Core was using the prices as propaganda. If you weren't aware of the issue, it was that the paper Segwit2x coins being traded in these markets would only have value if both the fork occurred and it became the dominant chain. In the real world, of course, holders of bitcoins would also get "Segwit2x value" if the fork didn't occur, because they would still own their original bitcoins.

It seems clear now that the reason the value of those futures markets was so low was because investors placed a high probability on the fork not occurring at all. Myself, I didn't see an outcome where the Core survived if the fork was executed as planned. Most of the mining pools that supported Segwit2x were not profit-switching, and changing software is not easy, so the smaller blocks combined with the lesser hashrate would have made the Segwit2x chain 6 times more capable than the Core chain, causing panic.

The other reason those futures prices were so low was because if the fork did occur, the Core was likely to have been willing to go all-out in an effort to stop it, perhaps by paying huge transaction fees on the 2x chain, or by conducting DDoS attacks, along with their usual unethical tactics like trolling and censoring forums. I think that an immediate post-fork value of bitcoin around $1000-$2000, as many of the markets said, probably was accurate. So what happened here? Money won out, as always. Instead of sticking to their principles, the Segwit2x proponents correctly recognized that while they would win, it would require months or a year of low prices to do so, costing them their personal wealth. I doubt there's any more to it than that. They even admitted they wanted to "protect the industry" from damage caused by the fork - in other words, keep prices high so they can profit.

Now it's worth examining what we're left with. As I stated last month, a rejection of Segwit2x would indicate a permanent end to the blocksize debate for bitcoin, with blocks remaining at 1MB in perpetuity. After two years of continually rejected ideas, there are no believable plans on the table for any solution to the problem. The Core will remain in charge indefinitely, and their behavior will attract like-minded individuals while scaring off honest developers. Another huge winner is Michael Marquadt, who successfully cemented his domination of reddit, bitcointalk.org, bitcoin.org, Coindesk, and a number of other media sites. I see the communities that were initially set up to provide uncensored discussion, like the "btc" subreddit and bitcoin.com, moving away from bitcoin discussion altogether. We can already see that happening by how most posts now discuss bitcoin cash and other coins. Marquadt was handed an unequivocal victory yesterday, and Bitcoin's agenda is now moderated almost solely by a man who has been allowed to get away with a lack of accounting for millions of dollars in "forum donations" that were never spent upgrading his forums.

Despite how catastrophic this outcome is for bitcoin (and the comical outcome of a global financial tool being able to be used as a "settlement chain" with just 4 transactions per second is unquestionably absurd,) I think that overall, it is the best outcome for cryptocurrency as a whole. Segwit2x would have resulted in an environment where the blocksize debate would continue essentially forever, with the Core reneging on their promises to leave Bitcoin and moving the goalposts forward to oppose the next fork. This outcome has removed almost all the uncertainty. The Core will remain in control of Bitcoin and can do what they want with it, and most new users will be introduced to cryptocurrency by using more affordable networks like Litecoin, Bitcoin Cash, or Ethereum. Anticipation of this external growth is likely why prices of these coins have started to rise.

The other key benefit of this outcome is very important: developers of software now know that they need to plan for these other coins being their primary method of payment. The OpenBazaar developers, for example, can now see that Bitcoin is never going to become widely used to purchase goods online. They need to support some other coin or provide an auto-changing wallet. Amazon and Wal-Mart, if they have plans to accept cryptocurrency, can now roll out acceptance of Bitcoin Cash or Litecoin and position one of those coins as the way to get everyday spenders involved in cryptocurrency. If you didn't believe me last month, this outcome has sent a very loud and clear signal: this is going to be a multi-coin world, and if you think people are going to pay $50 transaction fees to buy your goods, your business is going to fail.

Moving forward, there are a few issues to watch.

Will bitcoin continue to be purchased by investors as a store of value? I'd say "yes," because many of the people buying it heard about its prior potential from the news and will invest on name alone. Bitcoin will have value to some people as it becomes more and more centralized due to the Core's actions, as people tend to trust large institutions. They most likely have never heard of Litecoin. That trend will probably abate in the long-term as altcoins become necessary to actually spend cryptocurrency, and therefore, become more valuable and the increases make the news.

Will the Core developers maintain relevance? I'd also say "yes," but only technically. Their political plan for Bitcoin is deeply flawed; for example, they never considered that even if the Lightning Network works perfectly, and somehow there is still enough blockchain space for the settlement transactions, nobody is going to run the nodes because they are clearly defined as "money transmitters" who receive money from one person and send it to a different person. To obtain a license costs millions of dollars. This cost will be impossible to make back by solely running a Lightning node. Remember, the Core ideology is to prevent centralization, but the actions they are taking will cause the exact opposite result: that the only way to profitably run a node is to be an exchange like Coinbase that already has these licenses for a different purpose. This will result in the destruction of their political power.

But despite all the useless stuff they write, and their inability to see the consequences of what they are doing, the Core does produce some interesting and innovative things. As altcoins slowly become the focus, I can see the Core developers slowly losing their current political power, but still being the leaders technically. Their code is extremely easy to copy across many other coins. Bitcoin Cash, for example, will continue to maintain itself as a usable offering despite its (for now) having fewer active developers by simply copying almost everything the Core does. And while the Core stupidly cripples the Bitcoin network, other coins like Litecoin can copy the same Lightning Network they want to develop anyway in addition to being more capable at the protocol level.

Finally, will Litecoin be able to expand its blocksize? On this one, I'm not as confident, but we can do something about it. By virtue of its inclusion on Coinbase, Litecoin is currently the most useful cryptocurrency for transferring value. We send over 1000 transactions per day for an average of 13 cents and will be converting our dollar payouts to be issued through litecoins soon. Litecoin doesn't suffer the difficulty adjustment problems that Bitcoin Cash has, it's API-compatible with the Core bitcoin, it supports SegWit so that those who want to develop for it can use Litecoin as well, its fees are reasonable, and its transaction times are fast enough without producing orphans. But there are two issues that could drag it down: the Core could decide that, having won the Bitcoin debate, it's now time to try to destroy the Litecoin community; and that Charlie Lee spent months as a vocal proponent of the "No2x" side.

I expect Lee to follow through on his commitment to raise the Litecoin blocksize when blocks are half full. Should he not do so, then it should be made clear that we can control 20% of the votes. Unlike the Segwit2x signatories, we will not sit by and allow Lee to renege on his promise. Litecoin has a golden opportunity to succeed where Bitcoin failed, and its community must not allow the Core's tactics to limit its potential as well.

In conclusion, the outcome of the blocksize debate has made the industry stronger overall. For the first time, there is finally certainty in how businesses can proceed with their plans. Unless you've actually dealt with the ridiculous number of new customers that have been flooding into the space recently (and the Core has not), you simply can't understand how there is no time to wait for more capacity. While Bitcoin is no longer the leader, the certainty provided by yesterday's events is going to shift and accelerate the already insane pace at which money is moving into other cryptocurrency networks, businesses, and infrastructure.

Steve Sokolowski Author

Steve Sokolowski is a longtime miner, cryptocurrency believer, interest platform depositor, and PROHASHING owner. He can be contacted at help@prohashing.com.

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Forum Commenter
Evil people are everywhere around. ICO's??? Mostly settled with ETH and how many 100 of tokens already? I am mining many different Coins and hodl most time. But what brings the future for the Coins or BTC if everything is mined? Who will fullfill the work and paying the energy to validate the transactions? Calculate the transaction fees of Coins and compare the value of the Coins and break it down to the fee of transaction of the bitcoin transaction fees with the value of 1 BTC. (Actually I did not, but would be interesting to see if the fees of such Coins would still so low or not reaching out a value like bitcoin). Happy Sunday to everybody Forum User: Tom3
Forum Commenter
The last 2 days while BHC raised to 2800 usd what happened: 1. I never mined so many BTC in 2 days 2. I bought cheap miners with Bitcoin Cash from bitmain. I never will get them so cheap ( so I hope ) 3. I can buy anywhere Caffee with DebitCard, but not with litecoin, but Bitcoin Forum User: Tom3
Steve Sokolowski
I've read that argument. While I understand the theoretical part of the idea that everyone shouldn't be able to buy coffees with Bitcoin, I don't think that matters in reality. The problem is that there's nobody, even the Core developers, who can dictate that cryptocurrencies should be used a certain way. Transaction space is badly needed right now. For example, we didn't wait for the Core to come up with a solution or to tell us how we should use bitcoins - we simply migrated to litecoins as the default payout coin. That's why we have 1100 litecoin transactions per day and fewer than 40 Bitcoin transactions. We weren't going to stop all business until the Lightning Network was available, and even then we weren't going to tie up thousands of dollars in Lightning nodes. We're seeing this happen with Bitcoin Cash now. I understand that some people truly believe that the Core's vision is the better solution, but the market is moving elsewhere because all they care about is being able to buy their coffees (or their miners) with cryptocurrency. People who want bitcoins now are using litecoins to transfer value between exchanges to buy them at the other exchange. You can see how the industry is growing at a rate so ridiculous that we can't even get enough capacity to satisfy our existing customers. The only way the Core remains relevant is if growth slows enough that they have time to implement their vision, and that seems very unlikely to happen.
micca410evo
So i guess BTC is a bit in the same decision like you guys had on fighting growth/expansion plans, as you probably experienced yourself the solution won't be there without doing a good evaluation and reaching decent consensus, this will take some time though. BCH feels for me like the people over here yelling at you that you should hurry up with expansion no matter what, but you know better yourself.. since there is a lot behind the homepage (or the coin), that needs to find a way to implement solutions that are capable of turning out good in the long run. I wonder if we use the usecase: Visa, what would we reach with BCH? or with 2nd/3rd layer solutions or is BTC/BCH as major payment solution just not worth it. Then we come up to future predictions (I think Lee is right that BTC will be a store of value, since there is nothing more in it for BTC from a technical view and practical experience) Will we have a shitmix of a lot of coins doing the job all together or are we waiting for that new coin (or new backbone for a coin) that is capable of reaching sizes like visa?
Steve Sokolowski
I think the answer to your question has already been settled. The future is a world where there are a large number of coins, and there are auto-exchanging wallets. If we could afford a money transmission license, we could make a huge killing on being able to accept any coin as payment and transmit it to the merchant in a different coin. Our evaluation took a long time, in part, because of the Core. We see the Core as the greatest threat to the industry's growth right now, because they are preventing the immediate expansion of capacity that we and others need to conduct business. I don't care whatsoever about what their grand vision is for the long-term future with bitcoin storing value or whatever. All people who use the network care about is whether they can use the network. Litecoin allows us to do that, which is why we conduct all our business in litecoins now. Coinbase's addition of ETH and LTC was what made it viable for us to expand because we knew our business model would be affordable. Incidentally, it also guaranteed a multi-coin world because of how it is exposing everyday users to the improved fees and transaction times on those other networks.
micca410evo
So we come to the conclusion that other layers like ETH and LTC are inevitable for 2nd/3rd layer solutions, that is the reason i put a lot of faith in some of the altcoins. But what would BCH mean for BTC and/or the cryptocurrency world, rather than an intermediate solution? You state that Core is a threat, but that would be the same like i would call your lawyer a threat to my mining hobby, that was unable to expand or run stable for months, but no i didn't, i'm fulfilled with patience in this upcoming technology and i'm pleased with your service. Instead of kicking against everything, most of the people around here try to help and support you guys, since you guys are doing a good job, because the service you guys setup and maintain. If you don't care about the long-term, what do you even care for than? Is it the money? Would you be better off without crypto's, the internet or mobile phones? I guess i care about the long-term because it brings me a lot more fulfillment in life than the mindset of quick money and/or what comes in short time, it is at least 50% about the path towards the goal right, not the goal itself what brings prosperity; and of course i would be lying if i wasn't in for the money also, but i'm pleased to tell you my biggest concern wasn't money at all, but having something on my hands and fill my daytime with something i like and that is technology and raise my fist against the banking industry and current systems. The major reason i'm against BCH and it's support is because of the mutiny, where and why did they stop and try reaching consensus with BTC to get a decent solution for scaling issues? If they ever take over it could be worth it, but with my knowledge and understanding of crypto's, i think they tried to attack BTC and are wasting energy in this way, the only thing it could help is to restart the conversation about scaling (but imo this isn't the reason why they started BCH). But still it is more of a personal war about future scaling solutions or a way to make money or power, what is both wrong.
Steve Sokolowski
I would offer a few thoughts on this. First, I'd argue that the lawyer was a threat to our business, or at least I definitely saw it that way. He was unqualified and wasted months of time. We eventually had to set November 17 as a date where if we couldn't find a lawyer, we were going to shut down, because we figured that we wouldn't be able to get answers to those questions. Fortunately, we were able to find a different lawyer who was knowledgeable. Thus, I don't think the issue of the lawyer is relevant to this discussion. Second, the simple truth is that the Core's plan is ludicrous. It's bizarre. It isn't logical. It makes sense that some people argue that Segwit is an improvement for a number of reasons. But it is simply nonsensical that any rational person can suggest that 1MB blocks are sufficient for the Core's Lightning Network, now or in the future. The arguments the Core are using, like that nodes can't run with larger blocks, are patently false. The ETH network has a larger blockchain and we have about four copies running, one of which we use for managing personal money on a standard desktop. Third, the Core consists largely of evil, malicious people. I'm not going to review their behavior again, but these are the type of people who I would never be friends with, hire, or want to associate with in any way. They are not fit to be leaders and I do not support them because I see the way they behave as shameful. Finally, I haven't heard a convincing argument as to why altcoins are insufficient for solving the problem, and that's the largest reason why I stopped caring about what happens to Bitcoin's Core chain. We can simply ignore them, because a cheaper and more capable solution exists, and that's what we're doing.
Forum Commenter
I'm not so sure that the migration of capitol into BCH from BTC is the market abandoning BTC for BCH. If that were to occur, I'd expect to see the ratios for LTC/BTC to go up as BTC goes down. I suppose one could argue that BTC and LTC track each other; however, I'd point to the past month of flat LTC values as BTC jumped as a negative indicator of this relationship. Forum User: pavvappav
centar
Steve, this is bordering on delusional ramblings. The way you talk about "The Core" makes you sound like a religious puritan fighting a holy war against the evil heretics. The fact that you can implicate Core as a centralizing body while ignoring the fact that S2X was called off by SIX individuals is ludicrous.
Steve Sokolowski
I understand that some people genuinely support 1MB blocks, but "you're waging a holy war" isn't a valid argument as to why the blocksize should be small. It's possible that I hold the opinion I do simply because the Core focuses on personal attacks rather than logical reasoning. Therefore, I ask a simple question. Without saying my name or referencing my beliefs, what scientific reason can you provide that doubling the blocksize will result in a negative outcome for the bitcoin network? In addition, if not directly caused by the Core's actions, why is the price of bitcoin falling and bitcoin cash rising?
fugju
why is the price of bitcoin falling and bitcoin cash rising?
One reason will be, that bitmain accept only BCH for L3+ in this batch. And this batch is huuuuge. Most people have to buy BCH to buy L3+ , this give a strong support and positive indicator for trader. And after ~500usd / bch i think its more fomo + support from L3+ buyer. But we will see. another reason can be an "leverage" effect. The BTC supply is "incorrect", because many people lost wallet, so there BTC are locked. With BCH fork the same amount of coins are locked too + many BCH are not earned because people dont want touch the paper BTC in reason of fees or fear about misstakes by taking BCH, or have the BTC at fork in multisig pubs or spent the fork possible coins. In this case is the circulating BCH supply lower then the BTC supply.
Forum Commenter
I'm unsure if the collapse of bitcoin will be in 10 years or 10 days. The possible use of Teather to artificially inflate the price of bitcoin (and other coins, LTC included) could, in the end, lead to the same unwinding that we saw with the asset backed securities. At that point block size scaling on bitcoin will be a solved problem. Forum User: pavvappav
micca410evo
Steve what is your obsession with bigger blocksizes? Your altcoin pump statement is wrong.. the only reason it got back up is because the b2x fork has been called of and there is no free money to grab (people with alts where going btc for the free fork money) and people return to alts.. imo you're are thinking way to much considering this statement. Another point is your statement about nodes and money transmitters, totally wrong imo, you would argue that some secretary of bookwork/administration would be a money transmitter (for the IRS) (as this seems to be the right comparison) node/secretary. Also you mentioned by this action bitcoin gets more centralized (i think by all the forks there were more opportunities to centralization instead of keeping the original btc). The same reason people should avoid Bitmain/Antminer/Bitcoin Cash (to keep their market share small instead of growing some oversized crypto company what it already is) I just consider this outcome as a win for everyone instead of more FUD coins popping up trying to attack the system (even in backrooms behind closed doors). People should still have debate's and argue over scaling solutions, but not act on it with hardforks as it brings more dividing actions than it brings the community together.
Forum Commenter
i agree with this guy... Your bias is showing Steve and you are over thinking peoples thoughts on this. it was all about free fork money.. now that its over alts are getting back to where they were before and hopefully beyond Forum User: Jakeg5280
Minermoe
Bitcoin will not collapse for at least the next 10-15 years unless the powers turn of the internet or power. This is likely to happen if N.Korea actually go forward with their atmospheric hydrogen bomb. Bitcoin will hit $50k each piece very, soon. I don’t see bitcoin coming to an end any time soon. I hope Litecoin will hit current bitcoin prices, but the market cap for crypto currencies will need to hit 1 Trillion before many more rags to riches stories will occur. I hope I’m one of those lucky ones. Time will only tell. Keep in mind crypto currencies have been attacked by prominent and elites. The prince attacked bitcoin, Jamie Demon lol tried too, yet his own daughter invest into bitcoin. All those tryin to attack this space, is because cryptos threaten their criminal fractional reserve banking structures and the wealth they make from this fractional banking. The governments and elites are trying to figure out how to stop this decentralized innovation, and the only way to do that is by instilling fear amongst everyone and going to war.
Forum Commenter
Don't kid yourself they just might sooner than you think. And Please Steve is right this Segshit2 or whatever you call it is all about the money they realized that they were going to lose a lot what do you expect really!!! The whole world is greedy and runs on money since the days of Jesus Christ and Judas with the money box. Really Come on why do you think Donald trump is still president wake up people! Oh yea the new world order A secret government or Society Just for the Rich google it NWO. One government one currency one president. Forum User: dog1965
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