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Coinbase does not deserve to be in business

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As a major financial services firm with a money services business license, Coinbase has a duty to provide a basic level of customer support, but the company has repeatedly shown that it is unable to meet that standard.

Lawmakers force exchanges to host servers in special datacenters, to hire security consultants, and to collect identity documents, and yet there are few or no regulations that govern how quickly money services businesses must deal with customers' money issues . It's time that these regulations mandate that Coinbase and other exchanges be required to respond to support tickets within a few weeks. But even if that isn't likely to happen, I think it's important to get this message distributed as widely as possible so that Coinbase's investors read it. Coinbase is constantly trying to close funding rounds, and their investors need to be made aware that the company they are valuing at over a billion dollars has shaky fundamentals.

Our latest saga with Coinbase began sometime in mid-September, when both the OAuth2 application that provides dollar payouts to customers for their mining rewards, and the API access that allows us to obtain receive addresses to send mined blocks to Coinbase, suddenly started to return error messages. In the case of the OAuth2 application, the error message states "OAuth2 application is disabled." In the case of the API calls, a 401 error is returned, with the text "Your account has been locked, please visit coinbase.com to resolve."

We are 100% certain that our system did not cause these errors, because there were no releases or configuration changes for days around the time the problem began. Our first step, of course, was for Chris to create what I thought was a pretty straightforward support ticket:
Hello. I have been using an OAuth application through Coinbase to send money. It has worked fine until two days ago, when I began receiving the error "OAuth application has been disabled". I have not changed anything with the application, but Coinbase has changed something causing it to no longer work. Can you please fix this for me? Thank you for your help.

This ticket was submitted on September 22, and we have received no response to it 24 days later! The ticket was "updated" on October 2 at 4:16pm PDT, indicating that they did receive it and were purposely ignoring it. Next, Chris called Coinbase and they mentioned that they had added a verification requirement for sends and receives. Previously, verification was only required for buys and sells. We followed their advice and verified the account, but there were no changes. But now we were receiving a large number of support tickets ourselves, so we posted the following message to customers who requested dollar payouts:
Coinbase payouts are offline due to an error in the Coinbase API.  We have contacted Coinbase to resolve this issue (Case ID #4881645), and we are still awaiting a reply from them.  We will issue Coinbase payouts as soon as they fix the issue.  Bitcoin payouts to wallet addresses are still operating normally.

Some customers did contact Coinbase, and Coinbase reportedly ignored them too. One such example is documented at Re: Coinbase update.

Our final attempt at contacting them was in an October 8 ticket. In this ticket, I reminded Coinbase of the previous ticket and asked them for assistance. I also gave them plenty of time to avoid our having to take the issue public:
Hi,



At the end of September, we began to receive a message stating "Your account has been locked, please visit coinbase.com to resolve" when we attempted to query the Coinbase API to obtain a receive address. Nobody had made any changes to this account or to the code calling the API at the time the message began to be returned from Coinbase's servers.



The method being called is "account/generate_receive_address" and no parameters are being provided. It has been called this way and worked from 2014 until September 2018.  In ticket 4881645, my brother requested support on this issue and did not receive a response. Later, he called Coinbase and the support representative stated that the cause of the problem was a lack of identity verification. I successfully verified the account, but the error has persisted.



The level of support Coinbase is providing on this issue is unacceptable. It should not take multiple weeks to reply to a ticket like this one. All I want to know is what the issue is so that I can resolve it. If the problem is that my identity still is not fully verified, then please tell me what additional documentation is required to unlock the account. If additional investigation is required, then surely it isn't difficult to simply inform me when I can expect a reply.



If I don't receive a response by tomorrow, October 9, then I'm going to publicize this issue on the @ProHashing twitter feed, the Prohashing Blog, and on other social networking sites. I urge Coinbase to please reply to this message so that we can figure out what is wrong here, even if the reply is simply to provide a date I can expect the issue to be addressed.



Thanks,



-Steve Sokolowski

There are many tickets I submitted to Coinbase before I stopped using their services for personal use that were similarly ignored, but this one instance is sufficient to demonstrate the problem at hand. Just to recap this one case: it's been 24 days since Coinbase was first notified. There were two tickets and a phone call. Many other customers have also submitted tickets. In every case, Coinbase has either not replied, "updated" the ticket and ignored it, provided incorrect advice, or responded with a form response.

Coinbase is a company that earns billions of dollars in revenue, and their executives are pocketing millions. They write blog posts about how they are improving the quality of their support. Earlier in the year, when the price of every coin was exploding, it was reasonable for them to be given more time to hire and train more support agents - especially given that the economy was so overheated that it is very difficult to hire anyone. But it's been close to a year since exchange volumes peaked, and Coinbase is no closer to resolving its support tickets in a timely fashion than it was back then. The only reasonable conclusion at this point is that the company has made an intentional decision to hire only enough support representatives to post automated replies that often aren't related to the subject at hand. They are willing to pad their pockets while customers' money is in limbo because their support representatives are understaffed, untrained, and given too little authority to actually resolve issues.

A company with such poor support should not be permitted by authorities to ignore 6,128 users of this application for 24 days.

But even if we look at this issue from a business standpoint, they've already lost $5,000 in trade fees alone from us that have gone to Bitflyer in the past year; if we count the ten people who had accounts who I personally recommended switch exchanges, it's probably twice that - and that's just me. This is what potential investors in Coinbase need to know. The company is so poorly managed that they have lost a million dollars of trade volume and are giving the runaround to 6,128 other people who are becoming more and more negative about Coinbase in the tickets they submit to us every day - all because their support can't be bothered to reply. How do they value the cost of a support ticket? Any smart investor should know that it doesn't cost $10,000 or $20,000 to reply to four or five tickets over the course of a year.

Please join me in publicizing Coinbase's lack of support to hit them where it hurts - by losing customers, hurting investment, and attracting the attention of regulators. A company that holds customers' money but does not allow those customers to contact them does not deserve to be in business.

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Here's a development about this problem, as of October 25.

I posted to several social media sites yesterday, including my least favorite one, reddit. For those who are unaware, reddit is a cesspool of disinformation and trolls. The reason is that their content policies promote it. They ban people who suggest that others upvote good content, and they also ban people who "doxx" other users, or refer to them by their real names. The end result, of course, is a place where anonymous trolls and outright criminals are allowed to run rampant, and anyone who tries to provide accountability to them is banned.

On reddit, I was contacted by a user who claimed to be from Coinbase support. He said that he was working on the problem and that I should call him. I called the number and everything seemed fine until he told me to go to a website (fastsupport.com) and download an executable file. He didn't have a clear answer as to why I would need to download an executable file on my computer when the issue is with Coinbase's database. I told him to send me an E-Mail from a coinbase.com address and I would call him back, and he never did.

Here is a log of the actual chat:
cindy_coinbase_Staff

3:13 PM

is there anything else we can help you with?



MattAbrams

4:22 PM

Thanks for replying.  We're trying to get an issue resolved.   An API key is returning "this account is locked, contact Coinbase.com for support."  



The following is the text of one of the tickets:



At the end of September, we began to receive a message stating "Your account has been locked, please visit coinbase.com to resolve" when we attempted to query the Coinbase API to obtain a receive address. Nobody had made any changes to this account or to the code calling the API at the time the message began to be returned from Coinbase's servers.



The method being called is "account/generate_receive_address" and no parameters are being provided. It has been called this way and worked from 2014 until September 2018.  In ticket 4881645, my brother requested support on this issue and did not receive a response. Later, he called Coinbase and the support representative stated that the cause of the problem was a lack of identity verification. I successfully verified the account, but the error has persisted.



I think there is a bug in your system that has caused a problem with the account because there are missing checkboxes in that account's web interface that are present in other accounts



cindy_coinbase_Staff

4:24 PM

confirm your email please?



MattAbrams

4:25 PM

steve@prohashing.com



cindy_coinbase_Staff

4:28 PM

your case has been assigned to the concerne department we will update you soon. stay with us 

thanks



MattAbrams

4:29 PM

ok, thanks - do you have an estimate of how long it will be?  is this something that will take a few days or were you asking me to stay in the chat?



cindy_coinbase_Staff

5:37 PM

update,

currently our concern team is reviewing the case and your old case has been closed#4881645.

Your new case id# 7307362. No action is needed till further update.

  thanks

You need to stay on chat



MattAbrams

5:50 PM

ok, I'll be here



cindy_coinbase_Staff

6:23 PM

your case is being process please contact concerning team at +1 805-308-4581 for additional info on case

thanks



MattAbrams

6:32 PM

ok, will call shortly

This conversation is remarkable. There are undoubtedly many people who don't understand that running executable files on your own system won't help Coinbase fix its problems, and certainly a few people have had bitcoins stolen due to this scam.

But the bigger issue is that Coinbase's customer service is so unbelievably poor that it has left an opening for criminals to steal money from their customers. If Coinbase replied to its support tickets, even within two weeks, its customers would not be posting on social media sites. Even if they did complain on social media sites, it would be because the initial contact was unable to assist them for whatever reason, and they were simply criticizing Coinbase's policies. There wouldn't be any opening for criminals to pretend to be Coinbase because they would already have talked with Coinbase.

In my opinion, this is unconscionable. How can a company stand by and allow this to happen? What kind of people are running Coinbase, that they are so greedy as to be rolling out all these new coins and features while desperate customers are left to be bait for scammers?

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Here's another update as of October 30 - this issue has been resolved! You can read more about the final resolution in the comments and replies below.

Steve Sokolowski Author

Steve Sokolowski is a longtime miner, cryptocurrency believer, interest platform depositor, and PROHASHING owner. He can be contacted at help@prohashing.com.

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Splinter
I don't know the reasons for that... it may be some tax reason not necessarily illegal, since I very much doubt that Glidera (Kraken Direct now) would make agreement with a company under suspicion or indications of some kind of fraud. But what I'm saying is that you don't need Mycelium to sell or buy btc (without the need to make a wire transfer for verification as the most exchanges require). Just use BRD or another wallet that supports Glidera... or even use Glidera directly, though I've never done it, but I think it's possible as well. This saved my life when Coinbase had a problem with my bank account without any reason, for a technical failure when increasing the limit and the support has NEVER been able to solve that. I didn't even get an answer! And the best part is that Glidera's rates are better. I wish I had known this solution before... goodbye Coinbase to sell btc! :)
Forum Commenter
That's funny. On coinbase I only put up MAKER contracts using the SELL LIMIT orders and pay 0% to cash them out. Then I do a direct AHC bank transfer for 0%. Coinbase makes its money off the people buying my coins...NOT ME. Not sure how Glidera's rates could be lower than 0% unless they pay you to sell on there. Kinda doubting that. Forum User: CSZiggy
Splinter
If at least coinbase answered the tickets (and properly) I might consider using it again... but anyway, in the end I earn more $ selling my coins using glidera despite the 0% coinbase fee to cash out most of the time. My intention here is just to present a fairly viable alternative to coinbase's lack of respect for its customers. That's it.
Forum Commenter
I agree, once you have an account issue, thats pretty much it for coinbase. Alternatives always welcome. I think AT&T and COMCAST now have better customer support reviews...and that's saying a LOT. Forum User: CSZiggy
Splinter
Yep... and coinbase has many complaints specifically about ACH transfers: https://www.reddit.com/r/CoinBase/comme ... e_throwing Glidera also allows setup ACH transfers: https://www.glidera.io/developers
Forum Commenter
From the OP of that link, I don't think they understand what BUSINESS DAYS are. "I submitted an ACH on 1/2/18. It was completed and debited out of my bank account on 1/3/18. It's 1/8 and I still don't have access to my funds. Their own policy says 3-5 business days. Today is day 5. Thanks for sitting on them coinbase." 1/2 was a Tuesday. They hit on 1/3 a Wednesday(1)....Thursday(2)......Friday(3)...Monday the 8th would DAY 4. If coinbase says 3-5 BUSINESS days, they still have all day Monday AND Tuesday still for those funds to post. While I agree they may have issues, I've never had any. All my withdrawls out ACH have landed on my bank the next day and available for me within the following 24 hours, even if its over a weekend. Forum User: CSZiggy
Splinter
There are people in the comments waiting 9, 25, 36 days... and it's just an example. Btw I'm still heavily using Coinbase Pro with maker contract (0% fee) for trade.
Forum Commenter
So if they are based out of chicago...and its all on the up-and-up legit...why the sneaky registration from Camien Islands? Why not just have godaddy do it? Why does a legit Chicago company have to run off to camien to get the website up. So again...they register from a country I can trust, with some requirement and hoops to jump through to get up and running so there is some accountability...then I'd be interested. Still seems like something is trying to be hidden. Forum User: CSZiggy
Forum Commenter
So I guess the question is, what is the alternative? For a USA person, how do you get coins into $ in your bank? What are the other options (legal preferred but if coinbase is a no-go, will entertain other options as well) You say the only way for the value of a coinbase IPO to go up is if there is more trade volume, and I agree, if volume stays the same so does the IPO value. But how does more volume mean higher coin prices? there was 20% more value yesterday than 2 days ago, and yet the price of the coins dipped 2-5% across the board. I disagree that a higher trade volume on coinbase would equate to higher prices of the coins. Coinbase would make a profit on trades no matter what the coin's prices are at. If something hit the NYSE, and there was a market crash, and the dollar loses value, maybe the whole economy switches to crypto...where all could people go to exchange the last of their $$$ into bitcoins? What are the other options? BITFLYER is a no-go they have suspended new accounts. Thank you for your interest in opening a bitFlyer account. However, we are temporarily unable to accept new user accounts. bitFlyer, Inc. (Japan) received an improvement order from their local regulator and has suspended new customer acquisition while it works to address the improvement order. In support of our parent company's voluntary action, bitFlyer USA and Europe will also be temporarily pausing the onboarding of new customers. Forum User: CSZiggy
Steve Sokolowski
I think I mentioned Bitflyer in the original post. That's who we use. If you need to sell any other type of coin than bitcoins, just exchange them to bitcoins and then exchange those to dollars. We never buy bitcoins so I can't say whether there are any deposit issues, but we're 100% satisfied with them.
Forum Commenter
Maybe they are working on fixing this: According to the report, Coinbase’s new customer service executive, Tina Bhatnagar, wants to centralize the operations of the department. As a result, some members of the remote support team have been laid off, while others have been offered to relocate to one of the company’s offices. In a written statement, Coinbase commented: “We’ve learned that certain teams who are co-located are more efficient, effective, and happier in their roles. So moving forward, some teams – Including Support, Fraud, and Compliance – will only hire employees into Coinbase offices.” Emphasis is mine. Source:https://news.bitcoin.com/the-daily-coinbase-reportedly-cuts-staff-telegram-loses-appeal-against-ban/ Forum User: ajs
Steve Sokolowski
In regards to this post, I think that this is probably a step backward. I'm not a human resources expert, but my experience is that employees tend to be happier when they are given the opportunity to control their own lives and schedules. I don't tell Constance and Vance that they have to be at a specific location and work from 8 to 5. There is a maximum amount of high-quality work that a person can accomplish in a day, and enforcing a schedule just causes employees to waste time surfing the Internet during the rest of the day when a person isn't at optimal efficiency. It also wastes money and increases danger by making people drive miles in each direction when they spend 99% of their office time sitting in front of a monitor alone anyway. A better choice is to allow a person to plow through work when (s)he is efficient, and to do other things when (s)he is not, so that the periods of efficiency are maximized, no matter when in the day they are. As we are also seeing with the US government, rules and procedures don't matter. All that matters is the character of the people doing the work. When you have good, hardworking, ethical people working for you (or for your country), then you get good results. If you have unethical slackers working for you, then bad things happen. Coinbase's troubles with customer service will not be resolved by forcing all employees to go to an office from 8 to 5, unless by chance the people who are hired end up being higher quality people than those who were fired. Only the people matter. To update everyone about the initial post in this thread, I'm pleased to announce that Coinbase successfully resolved this issue. The customer service representative said that the business account had been flagged for a "regular review." Once they completed the review, they found no issues and re-enabled the account. No additional action is necessary on our or customers' part. If you disconnected your Coinbase account, then you should reconnect the account to resume payouts. Because Coinbase payouts are not conducted on-chain, they occur as often as possible and customers who reconnect accounts will see payouts occur much more quickly than the once-daily payouts of other coins. Some payouts totaling more than $1800 each have already started to be executed.
Hey Steve, Thanks for your patience! Your business account was flagged for a review and was pending the review. We were able to review your account and you should be good to go now. Thanks! ---------- Coinbase Support We're hiring! - www.coinbase.com/careers
I will now reply to and close all the tickets about the Coinbase issues over the next hour. I also contacted Forbes and the other media outlets to inform them that the issue had been resolved and will direct them to this post to show the resolution if they were already writing a story anyway. You can make your own judgment about how Coinbase handled this issue, based upon the information in the original post. One major flaw in their procedure is that they allow an application that has been running for four years to be disabled by default instead of simply flagging these regular reviews and only disabling reviewed applications after the review if something is found to be wrong. Once this issue was brought to their attention through public channels, they did get it resolved in five days. However, most customers would not receive the attention of thousands of people like I did when I published this thread. There are undoubtedly many customers who are stuck in their support queue whose tickets will be closed without a reply. I imagine that most of those customers will stop being customers. Do a search for "coinbase reviews" on Google and you'll see tens of thousands of 1-star reviews about their customer service. Coinbase has lost thousands of customers and many more dollars due to these devastating reviews. Rumors abound that Coinbase is going to make an IPO soon. Investing in a Coinbase IPO is already a bad idea for unrelated reasons (Coinbase's value will go up only if there is more trading volume, but if that happens, then coin prices will rise faster than the stock's price), but I suspect that their poor reputation is going to drag down the company's price on an IPO because anyone who searches for them will see a litany of complaints about their support. In conclusion, this issue is finally closed. Feel free to submit a support ticket if you have any questions about Coinbase payouts, now that they have been re-enabled. Happy mining! Coinbase has a lot of work to do, but at least this is a start.
Forum Commenter
https://bitcoinist.com/coinbase-staff-shakeups-continue-as-customer-service-staff-are-cut/ Forum User: ajs
Steve Sokolowski
Here's an update on Coinbase. They were not able to meet the deadline they provided of Friday, but they have finally replied. I can't say anything else except that we need to wait for them to get back to us.
Thanks for the context Steve! That’s very helpful. I’ll add this note for the review team and they’ll finalize this – I’ll press the team to getting this done Monday. Thanks again so much for your patience! ---------- Coinbase Support We're hiring! - http://www.coinbase.com/careers On Oct 26, 2018 at 05:40PM PDT wrote: Hi, Thanks for your attention. I replied to the support tickets in our system to tell them to hold off on contacting you while you are working on the issue. Since we’ve used Coinbase since 2014, I’m not sure what caused the issue now, but I want to clarify that if this review is for buying or selling coins, we aren’t interested in using Coinbase to do that. The account is only used for the for the OAuth2 app, as described in our documentation at https://prohashing.com/help.html#settings-coinbase. Thanks, On Oct 25, 2018 at 09:48AM PDT "Coinbase Support" wrote: Hi Steve, Wanted to check in and let you know that we’re waiting for our internal partners to review your account and I’ll be able to follow up with you tomorrow. Thanks again for your patience! ---------- Coinbase Support We're hiring! - http://www.coinbase.com/careers On Sep 24, 2018 at 08:52PM PDT "Coinbase Support" wrote: Hi Steve, Cindy from Reddit here – sorry for the delay. Wanted to confirm receipt of this case and we’ll be investigating this issue today. I’ll follow up at the end of the day. Thanks again! ---------- Coinbase Support We're hiring! - http://www.coinbase.com/careers On Sep 23, 2018 at 05:20PM PDT steve@prohashing.com wrote: Hello. I have been using an OAuth application through Coinbase to send money. It has worked fine until two days ago, when I began receiving the error "OAuth application has been disabled". I have not changed anything with the application, but Coinbase has changed something causing it to no longer work. Can you please fix this for me? Thank you for your help.
Forum Commenter
So after the ticket being in their system for OVER a month now....No resolution just an E-mail update stating they are aware there is an issue. No ETA, no sorry its taken over 30-days to even get you an update on the ticket. Not that the ticket HAS been assigned and IS being worked on. Just an update to let you know that IS what we need to do(once we get off our collective asses and actually fix the issues) Sorry no, I'd stay on top of them. I give customer service 2-weeks to fix my issue. After that they are incompetent or lack the resources to be a proper customer service branch for whatever service sector they cover. So if someone raises a fuss, or threathens to go to the public, just send them 1 e-mail update every month or so to tide them over. Sorry they had 2-weeks to fix the issue or contact you for more information. Being expected to wait longer than 2-weeks for any response is unacceptable. Call them out. They need to hire more customer service people or reduce their users if they can't keep up with the issues they have. Forum User: CSZiggy
Steve Sokolowski
An update on this situation: someone from the real Coinbase finally responded today, but they said they are still working on the issue. They said that they need an internal partner to conduct a review on the account. I'm not sure what suddenly needs a review, given that we've been offering Coinbase payouts since 2014, but at least there seems to be progress. I'll post more details whenever I hear back from them.
Splinter
I think they are overloaded with support tickets... but whatever the reason, it's unacceptable. I had a problem, sent a ticket and I'm waiting for an answer for more than 3 months. Actually, I'm not even expecting to receive anything anymore... I'm sure my ticket was simply discarded.
Steve Sokolowski
I updated the initial post to include more details about a criminal who is preying on people who are desperate for support. You can review that there. I'm also contacting media outlets in the hopes that Coinbase will actually respond, as I promised to do yesterday. If any of them writes a story, I'll post a link here. Again, thank you to everyone for being patient about this issue, and thanks for your understanding about the reasons behind why we can't pay dollars without getting this problem fixed.
healyc1812
Has there been any further Progress on this coinbase problem?
Steve Sokolowski
No. No cryptocurrency media outlets picked up this story, unfortunately. That's not surprising, because many of those news sites are owned by Digital Currency Group, which also owns shares in Coinbase. You can see the latest form reply from our latest contact with Coinbase above. Today, I'm spending time submitting links to this post to social media websites. Tomorrow, since no cryptocurrency media outlets were interested, I'm going to start contacting mainstream media outlets. Some large newspapers, like the New York Times, have departments that investigate customer service complaints. Perhaps one of these newspapers or stations will latch onto this and see a pattern. I'm hoping that an organization like CNBC might be interested because it cuts against the narrative that Coinbase is trying to promote that they are a growing company with lots of customers and investment. If that doesn't work, then on Monday, October 29 I'm going to submit complaints to government agencies. What's ridiculous is that we're not complaining about any particular issue with Coinbase, because we don't know whether this is a bug, or whether we violated some policy, or whether there is missing paperwork, or whether they simply are overloaded with support tickets, or whatever. We'd be complaining simply because they won't reply and we don't know. The problem here is that while we can disconnect Coinbase accounts and pay out bitcoins to normal addresses, the existing dollar balances are more difficult. It's not illegal for us to discontinue dollar payouts and write checks to people for what's owed, but we don't have a bank account to do that from. That's why we need to continue ramping up the pressure on Coinbase until they either write a simple reply to us to figure out what the issue is or this becomes a public relations nightmare for them. Again, I apologize for how long this is taking. We're working as hard as possible to try to bring this to a resolution as soon as we can.
Steve Sokolowski
I sent Coinbase a support ticket to a new address I found, on the theory that perhaps the problem with the original account is a paperwork issue. Here's their reply to this one:
Hi there, Thanks for reaching out. I understand your frustrations with this account issue and appreciate your patience. I’ve documented the information you’ve provided and have escalated this case to a specialist. We will follow-up with you as soon as we have an update. Please note that while these reviews are typically completed within 5-7 business days, it can sometimes take longer. Thanks again for your patience with this. Regards, Coinbase Support
Note that I didn't provide them with any information, as this form response claims. I asked them for information about what paperwork needs to be filed.
derbagni
Steve... I have just started using prohashing, and I am definitely pleased with the service. To the extent the the Coinbase API starts functioning again, can you clarify how the USD payouts work? I have restrictions with my work on selling digital assets (I have a 6 month hold period) that doesn't apply if I am paid in USD. With those Coinbase payments does the mining account ever have control of the Bitcoin or other digital assets prior to prohashing selling them on Coinbase? If everything is handled by Prohashing through Coinbase, and I simply received USD in my checking account, then It would certainly make things much easier for me! I am astonished at how poor their customer service is, especially considering their size. Is there any posibility you could do something similar with Kraken? Thanks for your product!
Steve Sokolowski
The money is sent to Coinbase and then sold immediately or shortly afterward. Because Coinbase doesn't allow both of these API calls to be executed simultaneously, the money might be in the Coinbase account for a brief time. Until this issue is resolved, however, I removed all money from our Coinbase accounts, so you won't receive any money nor will it be sold. Our current plan is that I contacted 10 cryptocurrency news sites about the problem. If they don't respond, I'm going to contact mainstream media outlets tomorrow. If that doesn't work, then I'm going to file complaints with government consumer protection agencies on Thursday, and I'm going to start E-Mailing the companies that have publicly invested in them to bring this to their attention. This issue is going to be resolved soon, or else there's going to be a huge amount of negative publicity for Coinbase. Again, I apologize for the problem and we're trying as hard as possible to get it resolved. Unfortunately, Kraken doesn't have an OAuth2 interface. Coinbase's API allows them to restrict the operations businesses can perform. The only way to trade with Kraken would be to request users' private API keys, which would expose us to significant liability because it's not possible to restrict access on them. If Coinbase's API keys are hacked, then the worst that could be done is to sell bitcoins, which doesn't cause a direct loss of money. If Kraken's keys were ever hacked, then the hacker could use them to do anything he wanted with the customer's account, so we aren't willing to take on that risk.
Splinter
Thanks for ignoring me, Steve... ;P but I couldn't create a bitFlyer account, they are not accepting new accounts at the moment. In addition to practically no support, Coinbase is charging very high fees. I'm using Mycelium now to sell btc then.
Forum Commenter
I'd have no issues using them....If they had offices in a country other than Latvia. Show me a BBB rated US exchange, or some EU place that has passed some sort of regs. Please no camien islands BS countrys where all it takes is $1 to register a company and not be tied to any country's laws. Forum User: CSZiggy
Splinter
The bank transactions at Mycelium are made by Glidera, a Chicago based company and owned by Kraken now. If you don't want to use Mycelium at all, you can use another wallet supported by Glidera (now aka Kraken Direct)... BRD (breadwallet) for example which is based in Switzerland.
Steve Sokolowski
I apologize. It's puzzling to me why there is so much demand for exchanges, compared to the rest of the industry. It frustrates me all the time how when I ask a company if they will accept bitcoin cash for whatever I want to buy, they will say no, but when people want to sign up for exchanges, the exchanges turn them down. It could just be the fragile state of the economy, most likely. There is so much money floating around in the current economy that there are far too many customers for most companies. Plus, it's impossible to hire anyone. When the convenience store down the street is offering $13 to start with no experience and no education, you know that something is different.
Splinter
Thanks for the replies!! The only way I know to link an us bank account to buy/sell btc without to do a wire transfer is Coinbase, Bisq (not so good) and Mycelium. If you guys know another one, please let me know! :)
Steve Sokolowski
I think I figured out the Coinbase problem myself. My suspicion is that there is a bug in their system. I created a new account to do some testing and found that the new account displays different pages than the previous account did, and that there were some confirmation radio buttons missing in the OAuth app edit page. The buttons were there to confirm that you weren't a gambling business or exchange. They probably have two interfaces, because their homepage now also looks different on the new account. Many companies test changes on new users first so as not to alienate old users who like the old interface. At reddit, for example, old accounts have a different stylesheet than new accounts. What probably happened is that some tester didn't notice that the web developer forgot to retroactively add these radio buttons on the old page. I think that their database probably has default values for these columns of "Yes." Since the old account didn't have these listed on the page, it probably saved the app in a state that initialized these new columns to the default, and I wasn't able to change them myself because they weren't there. Coinbase probably locks the accounts of exchanges and gambling businesses for "review," which never happens because their support never replies to tickets. In this new account, I created an identical app and answered the questions to state that the business isn't a money transmitter and it seems like the app was created successfully. Chris is going to do some testing on this tonight and he may be able to resolve the issue completely by the morning. If it works, then I'll just close the buggy account and this issue will be in the past.
Splinter
That's nice... keep it up the good work! Another subject: I hope to see CryptoNight algo here as well soon :mrgreen:
Steve Sokolowski
I want to add another comment to this post to show how poorly managed Coinbase is. Since the message about their poor support was posted to the site, there have been 106,201 impressions that Coinbase has not responded to our ticket. Do they truly think that not one of these page impressions led someone to close a Coinbase account? How many customers are they willing to lose before they will finally resolve this issue?
Splinter
I've never heard about Bitflyer before... searching for 'coinbase alternatives' in google, there isn't a single reference to Bitflyer in any of the top 30 sites of the results. Is it really reliable?
Forum Commenter
Chris, i can't wait for the whole industry to have disruption levels of improvements applied. Unfortunately for those of us in the UK, Coinbase is one of the few viable ways to obtain crypto and to receive Crypto payments in GBP into bank accounts - and that is a very recent occurrence. (prior to this SEPA payments had to be taken in Euros with an extraordinary amount of exchange rate loss. Forum User: alim
hobospices
Might the uphold API be a suitable replacement? They Provide similar services to Coinbase. I've always received good customer service from them in a timely manner. Check them out https://uphold.com/en/developer/api
Steve Sokolowski
This is a great idea. I'm going to look into this. However, it takes 7 business days for business accounts to be processed, and would take a significant amount of time to implement this API, so it would probably be Thanksgiving before we could change over. It still won't resolve the mess with customers who are owed dollars but would not be able to be paid because Coinbase isn't able to be paid. I'll ask Chris to create an account at Uphold and investigate their services.
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